stacy -- is a really great guy, but the conference call has become acrimonious and it's a shame because it's a great american company. >> do you think the stock will turn around? >> um -- no, it's just the macro. they really don't have anything. boy, it was bad for dell. that was my real takeaway. i can't believe anyone wants to be in dell. by the way, there's a real crossfire, bernstein said there would be upside surprise and last week they said be careful, microsoft shh will take away from microsoft. >> isn't that the whole issue? >> well, the problem is intel they said on the call, hey, listen, guys, wrong product, wrong time, wrong war, wrong this, wrong that. it's almost as if intel was never any good and talking about 2009 numbers versus now and spending too much money on equipment and he's a good guy, but he's just down there giving intel the business. >> jim cramer, thank you very much, sir.